One Lone Conservative's Reality in a Sea of Liberal Delusion's
...By a protester who protested the protesters!
Published on August 31, 2004 By couchman In Current Events
The date.... August 29th, the time..bout 11 am, the place...New York City; against the backdrop of America's key city, a legion of protesters hit the streets in an effort to show their disgust with everything from the War on Terror, the Invasions of both Iraq and Afghanistan, American Superpower status (ecconomicly and militarily) and a host of other "perceived " wrongs against the world. In fact there wasn't any area left un-protested from religion to gay rights to the military being nothing more than killers of civilians. But in the protesters minds...all roads lead to the Bush administration. The "protest" march was organised by United for Peace and Justice...another far-left group associated with the likes of International A.N.S.W.E.R., and Code Pink...but these were some of the big names...but there were others...and although we in this country have the right to assemble peacefully...the protesters were anything but that.

How do I know...simple I was there walking along with them...protesting as they were...shouting as they were...pointing at my sign like they did...feeling euphoric in part like they did for exercising my right to peaceful protest. One little( or big) difference is that while they were protesting nearly everything under the sun having to do with America, the President, capitalism, etc....Myself...along with bout 300 others decided to give the media..and the thousands of onlookers lining the sides of the route what the protesters were really like. Now Initially we planned on slipping in to the protest enmass....but police wouldnt allow us in recommending that we follow them from the back out of concern for our saftey. Never known to do the safe thing....we essentially began breaking into small groups and sending them down a few blocks from out gathering point...after bout 20 mins of this...my group entered the protesters....noticing another of our groups a short distance ahead we moved casually and steady till we reached them...it took bout a block and a half before the Tainted Kool-Aid drinking people realized who we were...it was only a matter of time before a clusterfuck was in effect...slowly they began with questioning our rights..and my parentage...then it was the chanting of colorful slurs...personally being called a skin head (and here I thought the shaved head look was in...go figure) but the worst hit us in the form of black clad, bandana covering their face thugs....they began violently attacking our group in waves...and quite a few of us were pulled bout 20ft away from the group to be encircled and assaulted by them...this includes the women of our group....so much for the unwritten rule of not hitting women....`the reports from all of our mini-groups came out the same....attempts at luring our members out to be "interviewed" only to become gang assaulted....while some of the media got it covered on camera....we got every punch, kick, spitting, attempts at stealing/destroying our signs/flags on both still and video as we had our own people spread out through the whole route and with each group...

When it became apparent that we were in danger of being seriously hurt....the NYPD to their credit swept in to create a barrier around us and move us out of the danger zone. They repeated this several times until all our groups made it out of the useful idiot zone. For a while after that, we split into 2 large groups with one at the end of the route...for my group...we stayed at the back and hung around talking to the cops (who had no love for the protesters...fist bumps were done in some instances) giving interviews to a wide array of "reporters" smiling and joking for a bit with all....that is till the "cardboard coffin" march began to pass us....several in our group were current active duty military and had been in Iraq/Afghan so this upset them...they sat there saluting for over an hour...the rest of us right hands over our hearts...most of us including the soldiers/marines with us were in tears. The protesters found this somehow a laughing matter and preceeded to make light of it. So much for showing respect for those who died while serving...but then if they had any respect for those who have served or are currently...they would never have dont it in the first place.

While myself and the other members of Protest Warrior knew full well what we were getting into...what we uncovered only reaffirmed our previous conclusions. They routinely use thug tactics to silence any dissent...any idea they might find even remotely opposite of theirs. They believe America is the root cause of all the evils of the world and find patriotism revolting. While we think they are completely off their rocker as it were...we would defend their right to their opins and their right to peacefully assemble...but I am at a loss as to why they constantly omit "Peacefully" from their mission statement...must be an oversight.

One final note...my friend Karl was one of a few of us carrying a flag...the one he was carrying was an American flag given to him by a vetrans group and had sentimental value....he was attacked during the march by no less than 5 leftist thugs who restrained him while they yanked it out of his hands....the last thing we all saw after their repeated spitting on it and tearing it up was an attempt to set it on fire. I often wonder if since Im republican and accused of being a storm trooper, why the left uses stromtrooper tactics with their own thugs when we didnt even attempt to steal their signs, rip their flags up ( there were many flags they carried, cuba, ussr,iran, syrian,north korean....and no I'm not making this up)...might be we are better than they...we atleast respect peaceful yet intelligent debate....too bad we found that those left-wing protesters we're somewhat lacking in both!




........Craig

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on Sep 01, 2004
He managed to divide our nation in half. Pro-Bush (republicans that will follow anyone that is republican) vs. Anti-Bush (people with common sense and unfortunately those liberal cry babies) There was never a protest of this magnitude when Bush had is first RNC convention, nor was there for Dole in is RNC convention, or even the Bush the first's two RNC conventions. Think about that...


Rough...
Intresting but no...polls...past and present show that 87% of Bush voters are voting because they support Bush...with the remained voting out of pure disgust over kery.....63% of kerry voters are voting for kerry because of the "anyone but bush" mentality with the remainder voting because they actually support his platform (wait..kerry actually has a platform?). As for the resons why its become quite appairent...Bush didnt divide our nation..that was done with the political pr of the dem party...need proof..look at the makeup of those protesters and the groups they represent...the republican party isnt openly seeking the support of the extremists in its party.. the dems on the other hand have not only actively gone seeking but support those groups....either way kerry is finished....because if he wants to be elected president, he needs to take a stand on any of the key issues..which he hasnt...and if he does...he will in the end anger any number of useful idiots groups too which he needs to even have a slight chance...
on Sep 01, 2004
There's no defense for the actions of the protestors, frankly, everyone that was seen to participate should be jailed for physical assault. Being a part of a protest is not a license to abuse.


Gideon.....

again you sifted through bullshit to discover the single most important ideal we should all learn and live by......Maybe the left might discover it down the road in the future...I'm not betting on it but who knows stranger things have happened (like kerry being in Cambodia in x-mas of 68 when he wasnt- his own words)
on Sep 01, 2004
Rough...
Intresting but no...polls...past and present show that 87% of Bush voters are voting because they support Bush...with the remained voting out of pure disgust over kery.....63% of kerry voters are voting for kerry because of the "anyone but bush" mentality with the remainder voting because they actually support his platform (wait..kerry actually has a platform?).


I don't want another four years of Bush, but I will concede it if it's what the people want (of course, I have no choice...lol). That being said, I refuse to join the rush of people to support a candidate with whom I disagree at least as strongly as I disagree with Bush.

Badnarik 2004!!
on Sep 01, 2004


I would like to add that initial pictures are being uploaded to our members but they havent been put on the site as of yet...there are still ongoing counter-protests till the end of the convention and that means more pictures...i will post either a few in here or a link to them shortly
on Sep 01, 2004
(like kerry being in Cambodia in x-mas of 68 when he wasnt- his own words)


I'm wondering if Kerry wasn't on a top secret assignment in Cambodia at the time...like maybe helping Al Gore create the Internet? lol
on Sep 01, 2004

I see a bright side to this. Eventually, people will tire of the psychopaths on the left and realize that they actually are psychopaths and like the ones on the right, they shall be alienated from society, which will give the reasonable people a chance to make some actual progress.


And Draginol, to hypothetically liken the protests in NY (which calls for peace and an end to bloodshed) to skinhead protests (which would openly call for bloodshed and confrontation) and make a point of ones allowance and the others inspiration of abhorrence is interesting to say the least. I don't have much of a stomach for political correctness, but the progeny of Nazism is something that i would rather be silenced.


So, skinheads should be like the peaceful protesters and speak peace but act in the name of violence and bloodshed?

on Sep 02, 2004
first off we went to counter-protest nearly everything they "stand" for....they assembled to show their opinions...we showed ours...sorry but not liking anothers opinions and then assaulting them because of it is something the right is always accused of but never proven.....the left on the otherhand is always said to assemble "peacefully" but thats never been proven either


Firstly, it is hardly ever reported that the "left" have assembled peacefully. Almost all in recent memory have had some element of violence, from Chigago 68' to New York 04'.

Me, personally, i would never promise a non-violent protest. If the issue is hot enough, this would almost be an impossibility.

It was not an issue of you not being abe to express your views or opinions, just that you happened to express them at the wrong time and place. What did you expect?

I also find the idea of protesting protesters a useless and futile idea. If you were protesting everything they stood for, then that means that your views and opinions already have power, at least in the White House. The Republican Party and its campaign budget can do infinitely more damage to Kerry's cause than you sinking into the mire at that protest, outnumbered and outgunned. It was, essentially, a futile act that had a minor goal as its outcome - proving that protests can get violent.

So, skinheads should be like the peaceful protesters and speak peace but act in the name of violence and bloodshed?


I don't even know what it is that you are asking? I was talking about the intent of the protest. One calls for peace, the other calls for bloodshed, both, in protest, are usually violent.

Marco

on Sep 02, 2004
The lefties are adamant about allowing for dissent by the induhvidual unless you protest their point of view.
Too bad the wackos in NYC couldn't be herded unto ships in the New York harbor and given a free (one way) trip
to the beautiful worker's paradise just south of Florida. Uncle Fidel would welcome them with open arms, there's
plenty of sugar cane that needs cutting.
on Sep 02, 2004
Too bad the wackos in NYC couldn't be herded unto ships in the New York harbor and given a free (one way) trip
to the beautiful worker's paradise just south of Florida. Uncle Fidel would welcome them with open arms, there's
plenty of sugar cane that needs cutting.


And it's just that attitude that dissent is somehow unAmerican that appalls me!
on Sep 03, 2004
I noticed some left wingers tried to disrupt Bush's speech.  Those who oppose Bush work very very hard to try to demonstrate that if they had power, they would eliminate their opposition's right to free speech.
on Sep 03, 2004
I noticed some left wingers tried to disrupt Bush's speech. Those who oppose Bush work very very hard to try to demonstrate that if they had power, they would eliminate their opposition's right to free speech.


This is scaremongering at its worst. Are you implying that the only viable opposition to Bush, the Democratic party, is not only a democratic, political threat to Bush and the Republicans, but also a constitutional threat.

That's a hefty claim that requires evidence. Produce one shred and then i would expect people to take a statement such as this one seriously.

So far the only threat to the American constitutional rights and rule of law (rather than marshal law) recently has come from Bush and his war on terror.

Marco
on Sep 03, 2004

I am stating that I think, as a practical matter, that the left has less tolerance for dissent than the right.

I say that based on what I've seen on US campuses (where "incorrect" opinions - usually conservative ones - are banned from speech). I see that in the way the left will try to shame, intimidate, or shout down their opponents.

Don't recall right wing protesters barging into Clinton's speeches or Kerry's. 

I'm all for the right of the people, left or right, to protest. But their rights end where others begin.  And time and time again we see evidence of where the left will try to prevent their opponents from speaking.  We see this with the Democratic party which has used lawyers to sue Nader's campaign to keep him down (did the Republicans sue Ross Perot? No).  We see this with the Kerry campaign trying to get the Swift Boat ads removed even though they're a trickle compared to the MoveOn.org ads which Bush and Republicans have made no effort to supress (and don't even get started on F-9/11).

The fact is, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that the left has less tolerance to differing opinions. I think much of this is because they are so self-righteous in their beliefs that they don't believe their opponents views have any value and must be suppressed for the "Greater good".

And if you're referring to the Patriot Act as the suppression of rights, perhaps you could learn for yourself the facts on that. It was passed UNANYMOUSLY in the Senate. Both Democrats and Republicans (including Kerry). So don't throw out that loaded BS in here about Bush being somehow the boogeyman on civil liberties.

Actions speak louder than words and the actions of the left both in the past year and in the past decade on college campuses where the left holds more sway are pretty damning.

on Sep 04, 2004
Draginol.....
Don't recall right wing protesters barging into Clinton's speeches or Kerry's.


very true...the left is all for freedom of speech..just not for conservatives......

One thing I neglected to comment about which I should have is how the protesters used cardboard coffins representing military deaths as some sort of supporting talking point of how they are right and everyone else is wrong...intresting that these exact people never cared for any who wore the uniform, have called them murderers and robots, nazis and thugs etc. for so long that their use of the coffins as some sort of symbol on their part is rather disingenuous on their part....
on Sep 04, 2004
For those who'd like to see some video and pics of that day....im gonna leave a site address that has some of them....

http://36echo.com/jb4gdi/PW/

This is some of them..from sunday....but to be honest we had many people shooting us during the march from our own people to the leftist fruitloops....and intresting enough....thanks to those same fruitloops, pics of us landed on al-jazeera's english edition...I'm so honored
on Sep 04, 2004
I'm all for the right of the people, left or right, to protest. But their rights end where others begin. And time and time again we see evidence of where the left will try to prevent their opponents from speaking. We see this with the Democratic party which has used lawyers to sue Nader's campaign to keep him down (did the Republicans sue Ross Perot? No). We see this with the Kerry campaign trying to get the Swift Boat ads removed even though they're a trickle compared to the MoveOn.org ads which Bush and Republicans have made no effort to suppress (and don't even get started on F-9/11).


This is where i start baulking. Please, please, please stop implicating that the Democrats are in any way a left-wing party. Centrist, perhaps; Left-wing, NO!

Why do the left have to scream so loudly, why do they find themselves segregated in college campuses and smoke infested, bean bag littered lounge rooms across America - because the left in your country hasn't had any mainstream acceptance in decades. Why do they vote democrat, why do they support Kerry? What option do they have - a two party system that orbit roughly the same spot on the political spectrum, even if one's emphasis differs to the others.

I find it amazing that you guys scream and wail about the left so much when your country doesn't have a viable left wing politics, at most single issue organisations that couldn't touch a ballot sheet with a 10 foot pole or disgruntled academics that muble about the malevolence of globalisation. You guys ended all that when you decided that shooting unionists would be a good idea.

Let's face it. There hasn't been a serious threat to middle of the road politics in your country since the Second World War. Most of that time you were too scared of the red menace raining ruin upon your heads or wallowing in your own opulence. Now there's a new threat to occupy the political horizon, so i don't see you needing to worry about any seismic changes to the political landscape of your country.

America has survived apparent malfunctions in the credibility of its political institutions before and it will do it again. As long as there is always someone threatening to blow you all to smithereens it will continue to survive.

Marco
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